Daf hayomi BEKHOROT page 7

Beorot, we're finishing this topic, another page. So, the firstborn son didn't come out like the mother, okay? He came out strange, he came out different, he even came out of another breed—a camel that gave birth—now these are even theoretical questions. >> No, we are trying to know: is the firstborn sanctified?

Does he belong to the Cohen, Tashma? If there was a cow that gave birth to something that looks like a pig or whatever, something that looks like non-kosher, you can't eat it . But if it looks a bit like the mother anyway, it's not kosher, but you have ...it's a firstborn, it's sanctified, it's holy. Why not eat?

Only for the firstborn. Okay. So it works for one and not for eating. She doesn't agree; you can't separate the two.

The rule for one is the rule for the other. I would have thought it was even stricter for the firstborn, because in the Torah , it's written that it must be like the bull if the father is a bull. And he tells you: even if it's not exactly like the father or the mother, as long as it has the head and the majority that resembles it, it's holy for the firstborn. born, we continue: Yesterday , we talked about this.

He said: it's possible to have, let's say, a cow that gave birth to a goat, but without the cloven hooves. Okay, accident, it can happen. No, it chews the cud, it remains, it chews, but for the hooves, it's missing one sign, one of the two. >> What do we do?

>> Is it true or not? Kosher. >> We know the mother, the son looks like the mother. The fact that it has—do you know the Tunisian sheep, Daniel, that has six legs?

Do you know that one ? There you go. The fact that it has— well, not six legs. It doesn't have a sign.

If the father was a donkey, huh, the mother was a cow, and they were only there, a cow and a donkey. He's going to tell me it's impossible, Abraham. Result: we don't know where from, okay? It's not a soul, but you have a donkey and a cow in a stable and the cow gave birth.

It didn't come from heaven, that one too? No, we can't bring them. >> So maybe there's a bull that snuck in, I don't know. >> Technically speaking, I don't see how.

>> We can't bring them as a sacrifice. >> But we agree that we can't eat this one that's here. Agreed. >> Especially since we're overthinking it right now.

Is it enough to look at the hooves or not? >> Yes. Yes. Yes.

Alright. We can't bring them as a korban. We can't bring them as a sacrifice. Ah, there it is.

>> That's for sure. For us, the problem isn't just the sacrifice. Is it kosher, or do we have to redeem the firstborn? That's the question.

He says the mom and dad must be of the same breed. Meaning sheep and sheep. Agreed. You've abandoned the sheep there.

So an impure animal born from a pure one. Must both the mom and dad be kosher and the same category, or is the mom enough regardless of the dad? Agreed. That is the debate between Rabbi Yehuda and the Rabbis.

>> The general rule is the mother. >> Yeah. Yeah. But we can eat it.

A single sign is kosher. Meaning if it's born, this sheep, without split hooves, but we know the mom and the dad, it's kosher. That's what the Gemara asks. Do you think an animal, a cow with a...can that work?

All those mixtures are impossible. A sheep with a cow with a ...We studied that on page 69, it's written there that a deer can impregnate a cow. And an animal. There, the sign is that the hooves are split.

You can eat it. Not to eat the others. So, to recap: the debate is, do we need confirmation from both the mom and the dad? Amen!

We also saw this topic: if the sheep is born healthy, but the mother was treif when she gave birth, she has a problem, does that make the little one not kosher? He says: no, the mother is treif, the offspring can no longer, because when it was in the womb , a handicap, the mother, it doesn't matter the mother, it's not the mother, let's talk about the sheep, it came out healthy. Therefore, we need confirmation on both sides that dad and mom are healthy too. Look at how much it adds.

Why is it marked? So the second opinion says: no need to be healthy, but mom and dad need to be the same breed. Alright, let's go back to the camel, let's finish beautifully before moving on to fish, in a bottle, Rabbi Shimon, come, are you with me at the bottom, gamal, gamal. In the Torah, we saw that there are two portions that speak about kashrut, Shemini, so why is it written twice?

Whether it's a camel born from a camel, or a camel born from a cow, even if it's a theory, it's not good, but if the head of the camel looks like a cow, you can eat it. End of the subject and that's it, therefore . >> There you go, it's as soon as the son resembles the mother and the mother is kosher. That is, that's kosher.

>> It's, it's the mess. >> There you go. >> Well now, it's a great subject, rabotai , we saw in the Mishnah that everything that comes from an impure animal is impure, like camel milk. Okay.

Except for bees. We just talked about that. The Gemara wants to detail all of that a little bit. Look at where the Gemara is going to go, very far.

It even smells bad. >> Donkey urine, can you drink it? Don't ask me who, what? How does the Gemara say it, look at how it answers?

Why are you talking about donkey urine? Maybe horse urine is better. No. What did you get stuck on, donkey urine?

No. And it said no, there's no problem. The horse and the donkey, for sure you can drink the urine because it's transparent. Their internal system, they knew all that, it's direct, it drinks, it goes right out.

It's not mixed, it's not black, it's brown. You're going to tell me urine is always transparent at the start. >> Yes. >> As soon as, as soon as, as soon as you keep it, it changes color.

>> So the donkey's, apparently it's >> it's not pretty. Does it pass through the body? That means water that comes out. I'm turning the page.

The answer is clear, I think. Everything that comes from something impure is impure, okay? So, that includes urine. It says, we didn't talk about horses, horses and camels, because no one drinks their urine.

But the camel...but the donkey, they drank it back then for an illness called the green sickness, the body, I don't know how it's translated for you there, uh. >> Let >> it >> jaundice. Ah, jaundice. OK.

Well, we call it yirakon. We can see jaundice. They drank donkey urine. Okay.

Don't, don't take me literally, eh. Don't go doing it, it's what they used to do. >> Yeah, yeah, okay. But today, don't give it to a baby before Laurine Danan's Brit Milah.

Don't say I heard it in the class. Wait, that was back then. Bravo. How come they drank it?

That is impure. We saw it, so it remains impure. Okay. Even if it's good for an illness or what not, leave those to the others.

Here is the question of honey. How is it that honey, which comes out of the bee—isn't the bee non-kosher? How come the honey is kosher? It takes from the flower and it immediately comes out through a pipe and becomes honey.

It doesn't pass >> through the stomach. It doesn't have a piping system like ours. No plumbing in the bee. >> Okay.

It must be incredible to see the body today. You can >> with artificial intelligence, you can ask for it. Show me the evidence of things. Bravo.

>> So okay. So honey is permitted. How do you know that honey is permitted? But maybe in the [Torah] it is written it is date honey.

So you have the right, because the Torah tells you: don't eat poultry—anything that flies, you don't eat. It doesn't say "anything that comes out of what flies." Okay? You have the right to eat the bee—it flies—you can eat the honey but not the honey of wasps or others. Maybe there are other animals that make honey , I don't know.

Why bees and not the others? It is the only one called honey . It is forbidden to eat wasp honey, but some allow it. Okay?

There must be a family of bees or wasps that make honey. It's not honey as we know it, but it must be some kind of liquid. What is honey for? To feed the larvae, the babies, as much for bees as for wasps.

>> I find that bees provide a lot because they have a high production of babies. That's why we use bee honey, because there was a problem with the >> what do you call the queen's honey there, of >> the nectar. The nectar, it has another name, that one. It's a special honey there.

What do you call that? Very good for the >> royal, royal. I was mistaken, actually. Yes, yes.

>> That one also has a debate about whether it's kosher or not. >> For me, it's kosher. >> Yeah, yeah. Well then, come on, let's see, we're going to finish.

>> Alma debate and Marcha. >> It's a wonderful product, that. I call it royal because it's royal, scars and everything. It's a thing >> very expensive >> very expensive.

>> So it's so kosher that even before the honey is taken from the hive, it can already catch impurity. That means it's a food that is already finished. Not like a fruit that you have to add water to, etcetera. So it's like a Bambi and it lays eggs.

Is it kosher or not? They aren't eggs from the, what do you call the Bambi mom there? The gazelle or the gazelle, I think it's the gazelle. The doe, the doe.

>> The doe, they aren't her eggs. They aren't eggs. It's the male whose seed cannot enter the body, the womb of the gazelle because it is very tight. The seed hardens and afterwards it drops, it looks like non-kosher eggs.

Amou, let's finish the subject. The placenta of an animal, you can use it. Yes, it is not part of the body. We have the right to consume it as they do today as well.

who take pieces of placenta, even >> human >> it's not something that is impure, we're not talking about eating it of course, we're talking about whether there is impurity or not, even if it's something that is dead in quotation marks, it's not the same categories of impurity as a body, right. Okay? It's something that doesn't have whether the mom or the little one are alive and healthy or not, the placenta doesn't have rules of impurity. Well, we finished the horse, the camels, the urine, God willing in tomorrow's page.

Wait, what time is it? Yeah, let's go. Come on, let's just do the Mishna so we finish with a bit of fish. That's tomorrow's subject.

An impure fish that swallowed a pure fish. Can you eat the pure one, you fished it from inside the impure one. Can you or not? Yes.

A tuna that swallowed a fish. Non-kosher. And that is why you need supervision for tuna because it's something that happens. I have a friend who supervises in Thailand, he goes once or twice a year, he says why do you need kashrut for cans of tuna?

Because often in tuna when they open their stomach, there are even mixtures of non-kosher fish that are in there, even in their bellies. And if he puts it all in without supervision, >> it's The fich guidou, we aren't allowed to eat it. The pure fish that is inside . There's the subject for tomorrow.

Well, bring the fins. Have an excellent day. Amen.